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Re: WARLORD (US) - Free Spirit Soar (2024)

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CountRaven έγραψε: Παρ 15 Δεκ 2023, 15:11
Bersekeros έγραψε: Παρ 15 Δεκ 2023, 15:00 Μου κάνει πολύ μεγάλη εντύπωση @CountRaven, που οι Damien King I και ΙΙ, τα παράτησαν τελείως ή δεν ήθελαν να ασχοληθούν.
Κρίμα.
Το καλό είναι ότι ο Giles τα πήγε εξαιρετικά, όπως μας μετέφερες σε παγκόσμια αποκλειστικότητα και αυτό είναι που μετράει.
Μη σου κάνει εντύπωση. Συμβαίνει με πολλούς session μουσικούς, που παίζουν για να πληρωθούν. Αρκετοί τα παρατάνε. Οι δύο αγαπημένοι μας δεν ήταν ποτέ μέλη της μπάντας σε φουλ επίπεδο. Συμμετείχαν με σκοπό να βγει το μεροκάματο σε συνδιασμό και με άλλα projects. Στο βιβλίο έχουν αναλυθεί όλα τα παραπάνω.
Εννοείς τη βιογραφία που βγήκε το 2012; Θα βγάλεις κάποιο update στο μέλλον;
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Re: WARLORD (US) - Free Spirit Soar (2024)

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Bersekeros έγραψε: Παρ 15 Δεκ 2023, 15:47
CountRaven έγραψε: Παρ 15 Δεκ 2023, 15:11
Bersekeros έγραψε: Παρ 15 Δεκ 2023, 15:00 Μου κάνει πολύ μεγάλη εντύπωση @CountRaven, που οι Damien King I και ΙΙ, τα παράτησαν τελείως ή δεν ήθελαν να ασχοληθούν.
Κρίμα.
Το καλό είναι ότι ο Giles τα πήγε εξαιρετικά, όπως μας μετέφερες σε παγκόσμια αποκλειστικότητα και αυτό είναι που μετράει.
Μη σου κάνει εντύπωση. Συμβαίνει με πολλούς session μουσικούς, που παίζουν για να πληρωθούν. Αρκετοί τα παρατάνε. Οι δύο αγαπημένοι μας δεν ήταν ποτέ μέλη της μπάντας σε φουλ επίπεδο. Συμμετείχαν με σκοπό να βγει το μεροκάματο σε συνδιασμό και με άλλα projects. Στο βιβλίο έχουν αναλυθεί όλα τα παραπάνω.
Εννοείς τη βιογραφία που βγήκε το 2012; Θα βγάλεις κάποιο update στο μέλλον;
Ναι αυτό εννοώ.

Για update θέλω, βασικά όλοι θέλουν. Πρέπει να βρεθεί χρόνος όμως.
Ο παλιμπαιδισμός των νεώτερων μπαντών "είμαστε τόσο εκτός σκηνής αλλά ηχογραφούμε για την Metal Blade" μόνο underground δεν είναι. - Zippo190 - Forgotten Scroll Forum - 2018
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Re: WARLORD (US) - Free Spirit Soar (2024)

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@GilesLavery: At first, let me thank you for registering to our forum and for giving your point of view and some explanations. Thank you also for bringing back with your voice some of the 80s magic that Damien King I and II had.

Even though we believe that you care about the band and its reputation, the bottom line is that all these reissues revolve around the same 10-15 songs. The comparison with Savatage isn't correct because Sava had a big discography and you could easily "fool around" without sounding too tiring or repetitive for the fans. Warlord was an underground band with one EP (at first) and suddenly we see more reissues than the actual discography!

Is this honorary for Bill or for anyone? Is it logical to have a reissue of the reissue of the reissue... with slight changes and different lineup for the same 10-15 songs over and over again? I don't think a new fan will learn Warlord's music from these releases, a simple re-issue of the original album could be enough. As exactly was happening some years ago.

We are not "witch-hunting" anyone with torches and axes! You can come to Greece whenever you want and most of the fans will treat Mark and the band as Gods. We always supported Warlord, Fates Warning and the ENTIRE US power/heavy metal scene. But all those albums and different versions, don't you honestly think that go too far?

In Greece we supported the classic US metal scene when all the world was talking about grunge. We were talking about Warlord when the rest of the world had no idea about the band. So you understand, there is a special connection with the band that goes beyond industry, releases, demos and sales.

Again thanks for visiting our forum..

"Can you feel the grief and sorrow that this song portrays?"
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Re: WARLORD (US) - Free Spirit Soar (2024)

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I do understand what you mean, and indeed during these Grunge years there is no doubt who was keeping the flame burning, these were dismal times for Heavy Metal in other parts of the world and i myself was in a great dispair for the genre, we did get some great albums during this time from Savatage, Riot, WASP, Bruce Dickinson, Helloween, Judas Priest, Virgin Steele, King Diamond/MF and Manowars Louder Than Hell was pretty good too, just to name some.

There have been no further reissues of the Warlord catalog since the High Roller releases of 2016 (Hunt For Damien was a later reissue as it was quite recent at the time).
There have been re-pressings though as the first copies had sold.
I suppose the general philosphy is that they are easily and affordably available for those who wish to own them, and on the other hand if the original albums are enough for ones collecion without all the bonus tracks, then that is totally understandable too.

The most important thing to me, is that the music reaches more people one way or the other, to more and more people's ears (even if it's via youtube or spotify).

There are no immediate plans for any further issues of the catalog albums (aside from occasionally reminding people that the High Roller versions are available as new fans come in every year), i do understand that some picture discs and cassettes are on the way, but i do not know when and i have no solid info on that.

The new album is going to be fresh music to most people, apart from the Lordian Guard re-recordings.

Thank you also for the nice welcome here on your forum, i do understand and respect your comments and concerns.
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Re: WARLORD (US) - Free Spirit Soar (2024)

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Ι don't know if the new album has the new "Lost and Lonely Days" but you have captured our sympathy with your kind and noble talking!
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Re: WARLORD (US) - Free Spirit Soar (2024)

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That song is indeed a masterwork
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Re: WARLORD (US) - Free Spirit Soar (2024)

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@Progress_Lost

Tsamis had a huge catalog of music.

Warlord, Lordian Winds, Lordian Guard and Sea of Tranquility.

The EP is my favorite too but this is another story. I would never say that Warlord was just a cult band that did an EP back in the 80s.

This kind of no sense stuff was written back in the early 90s on Greek Metal Hammer, and as far as per the discography there was probably such a case back then, but not now.

I know that Greek Metal Hamner of the 80s-90s is your personal testament but lets face the reality. Tsamis is -and not was- a composer that offered lots of great music and not just an EP.

As far as the reissues they are very important as they include lots of exclusives and those songs are not second class outtakes but pure gold. Take "The Rainbow" as an example.

And since you love the 90s Hammer so much, I would have to remind you all the crap they wrote about Lordian Guard, back on the day. We both were there right?
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Re: WARLORD (US) - Free Spirit Soar (2024)

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@Progress_Lost

And I am saying all the above because I know how romantic we both are about our beloved W.
Ο παλιμπαιδισμός των νεώτερων μπαντών "είμαστε τόσο εκτός σκηνής αλλά ηχογραφούμε για την Metal Blade" μόνο underground δεν είναι. - Zippo190 - Forgotten Scroll Forum - 2018
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Re: WARLORD (US) - Free Spirit Soar (2024)

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Yes, I know that. I was mostly referring to what @GilesLavery wrote:

"it could be argued that no one needed every single rehearsal or demo and the 16th version of "Child Of The Damned". And that's exactly where I agree (not the old Metal Hammer!)

I wouldn't like new songs based on old material that we have already heard in a different form, an old demo, etc.

But let's wait and see...
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Re: WARLORD (US) - Free Spirit Soar (2024)

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Progress_Lost έγραψε: Σάβ 16 Δεκ 2023, 01:44 Yes, I know that. I was mostly refering to what @GilesLavery wrote:

"it could be argued that no one needed every single rehearsal or demo and the 16th version of "Child Of The Damned". And that's exactly where I agree (not the old Metal Hammer!)

I wouldn't like new songs based on old material that we have already heard in a different form.

But let's wait and see...
Ah ok. Well see the tracklist. Just two LG re recordings.

I am sure that especially you, will go in tears when you hear the album and you would call me saying that Giles is the new Damien King IV.
Ο παλιμπαιδισμός των νεώτερων μπαντών "είμαστε τόσο εκτός σκηνής αλλά ηχογραφούμε για την Metal Blade" μόνο underground δεν είναι. - Zippo190 - Forgotten Scroll Forum - 2018
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PS: Is it time @CountRaven for the English version of the forum?!?
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Re: WARLORD (US) - Free Spirit Soar (2024)

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CountRaven έγραψε: Σάβ 16 Δεκ 2023, 01:30
As far as the reissues they are very important as they include lots of exclusives and those songs are not second class outtakes but pure gold. Take "The Rainbow" as an example.
I totally agree, that the re-issues were and are really important.
With the reissues, a lot of younger generations get familiar with the music of Warlord and the music is spread to a larger audience. This is great, as far as I am concerned.

A lot of older fans and younger fans are also able, to acquire the physical format of the Warlord's albums, which was extremely rare, back in the days.

That's the point: the music to be spread, keep the Legacy alive, make it pass to new generations of Heavy Metal fans.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από το μέλος Bersekeros την Σάβ 16 Δεκ 2023, 01:53, έχει επεξεργασθεί 2 φορές συνολικά.
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Re: WARLORD (US) - Free Spirit Soar (2024)

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Progress_Lost έγραψε: Σάβ 16 Δεκ 2023, 01:49 PS: Is it time @CountRaven for the English version of the forum?!?
There is an English section but never mind.

Lets make a mix lol
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Re: WARLORD (US) - Free Spirit Soar (2024)

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CountRaven έγραψε: Σάβ 16 Δεκ 2023, 01:48
Ah ok. Well see the tracklist. Just two LG re recordings.

I am sure that especially you, will go in tears when you hear the album and you would call me saying that Giles is the new Damien King IV.
Never say no to good music!
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Re: WARLORD (US) - Free Spirit Soar (2024)

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Bersekeros έγραψε: Σάβ 16 Δεκ 2023, 01:50
CountRaven έγραψε: Σάβ 16 Δεκ 2023, 01:30
As far as the reissues they are very important as they include lots of exclusives and those songs are not second class outtakes but pure gold. Take "The Rainbow" as an example.
I totally agree, that the re-issues were and are really important.
With the reissues, a lot of younger generations get familiar with the music of Warlord and the music is spread to a larger audience. This is great, as far as I am concerned.

A lot of older fans and younger fans are also able, to acquire the physical format of the Warlord's albums, which was really extremely rare, back in the days.

That's the point: the music to be spread, keep the Legacy alive, make it pass to new generations of Heavy Metal fans.
I paid for Deliver Us 20.000 Greek drachmas back in 96 for a not so good copy.

GOD BLESS THE RE ISSUES.
Ο παλιμπαιδισμός των νεώτερων μπαντών "είμαστε τόσο εκτός σκηνής αλλά ηχογραφούμε για την Metal Blade" μόνο underground δεν είναι. - Zippo190 - Forgotten Scroll Forum - 2018
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